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i don't know exactly who secretary kerry is planning on sending over there, who the scientists are going to be who go over there and how they're going to be received in uganda, but this is a new one in the annals of the diplomacy. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow night. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. thanks for being with us. >> flight 370 is now the longest disappearance in modern commercial aviation history. mitt romney is now trying to be the backseat driver for a very challenging aircraft, air force one. and chris christie's old pal just got a new request from federal prosecutors. >> the mystery continues into the missing malaysian jetliners. >> what might have happened to that missing jumbo jet. >> new theories have been emerging around the globe. >> while there are no leads, there's no shortage of otheorys. >> pure, pure speculation. >> there is no easy answer here. >> frustrated families of passengers are pushing for more answe answers. >> their patience for the sporadic and conflicting
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reports. >> confusing, sometimes contradictory statements -- >> has begun to deteriorate. [ shouting ] >> thailand said today its radar did pick up a plane. >> thai officials say their government didn't share that information with malaysia earlier. >> when asked why the thais didn't offer that earlier -- >> because thailand wasn't specifically asked for it. >> it has really gone from a mystery wrapped in an enigma. >> the mystery continues into the missing malaysian jetliner. >> so far there's nothing that conclusively answers the most pressing question -- why. good evening to you. i am ari melbur in for lawrence o'donne o'donnell. investigators continue to dig through many unsatisfying clues. we do have some breaking news tonight. sources tell nbc news
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correspondent tom costello the airplane's western turn, that key turn off the original course, it was programmed into the jetliner's computer system before the plane's communication sent out its last known data transmission. thus a turn was preprogrammed from the cockpit. now what does that mean? the turn was premeditated, it was included in the final data transmitted before the communication system went down, and according to nbc news sources, the turn was programmed 12 minutes before the last radio transmission when the co-pilot said, quote, all right, good night. we also know the turn to the west, and the use of a new route were executed after the transponders switched off. after that last radio transmission on the scale now of a total accident to a deliberate act, this information does confirm the idea that the plane's route was deliberately changed. on the scale of benign action to a criminal or terrorist sabotage, however, the information does not prove foul play.
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>> the pilot could have loaded a flight plan into the stand-by system and soo when the airplane took off and was on its way to beijing, they could have pulled up this alternate flight plan, made it the active flight plan for one of two reasons. either to come back because of an emergency or to take the airplane on a route well away from beijing. >> locating this plane would add a lot more clues, but investigators are still struggling with an absolutely huge search area. ann an area that was once confined to the flight path. you can see it highlighted there in orange. that has not only been expanding, it has been expanding to a very difficult area, after authorities learned the plane's last communication's ping could have occurred anywhere along this red line, the area where the plane could have traveled was expanded here to this broader circle that you see on the screen. now, officials are searching in an area today that equals 3 million square miles. affoccording to malaysia's
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transportation minister. we compared that to a land mass. it would be an area about the same size as the entire continent of australia. with a giant search area that's only grown over time, some countries now are already starting to balk at the open-ended and costly search for this plane. we can report tonight that india and vietnam are now opting out of the international search, at least for now. they say they are ending their involvement until malaysian officials can at least narrow things down. meanwhile, the australia defense forces, along with some help from america and new zealand are combing the southern portion of the indian ocean. the days of waiting are also taking, of course, a toll on relatives of those who were onboard flight 370. in malaysia today, a vigil was held just outside of kual kuala lumpur. in beijing, anger boiled over in a meeting between family members of missing passengers and chinese officials. [ shouting ] >> reporter: go on hunger strike.
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respect life. we need truth. >> joining us more live is eunice yung. it's morning there, what is now day 12 of this mystery of the international hunt. what is the latest you can tell us. >> well, ari, the latest from here is that chinese families are meeting with malaysian airline officials as we speak. this is a regular briefing that they have. but what we are told is that there's a greater police presence around the hotel as authorities here are concerned ant what the next step will be for these families. some of them had been threatening a hunger strike. also some others have been saying there should be a protest outside the malaysian embassy. the source of frustration has been the lack of information. they've been very frustrated. and what's interesting is that that frustration and anger has
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also been starting to bubble over into diplomatic circles. the chinese ambassador to malaysia yesterday had stressed that china wanted to see more accurate and prompt information. he had said that already the rumor mill as well as all the other information that has been coming out has been very chaotic and that the may lags authorities needed to do a better job. the chinese government and state media has also been very critical of the malaysian -- the way they've been handling it. the state media, one in particular had been questioning why the prime minister of malaysia had been, what they believe to be too slow to announce this airline diversion could have been a deliberate act. there's also been some this morning and yesterday on local media here in china calling for china to impose sanctions, economic sanctions against malaysia -- >> all right, thank you, eunice, giving us a live report in
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beijing. a little bit of transmission problems there at the end. we're going to turn to robert hager, aviation correspondent. and our terrorism analyst and chief operating officer of the suffron group. let me play something from tom costello who's done a lot of work like you've done, keeping an eye on these kinds of stories. take a listen to his report. >> we knew whoever made the u-turn in the plane did so with the help of the onboard computer. tonight we learned when the turn was programmed in. at least 12 minutes before the co-pilots calmly said good night to air traffic controllers. that would further indicate the u-turn was planned and executed in the cockpit before the controllers lost contact. >> this is the part of the story that people are focusing in on now. >> sure. >> what do we know about that decision, what do we interpret about that turn? >> well, i think we said to them early in the program, this would indicate, now indicate, because
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it's just one little miss of information that it was premedicated. it wasn't a response to a sudden emergency, which is still something that's batting around, particularly around the internet tonight. so it looks like this was an intentional act, human input. and it's just one more piece of evidence. but boy, we need a lot more evidence before we can say anything conclusive. >> and that's exactly what the goal of the investigation is. is to try to figure out if going under the assumption that it was an intentional act, was it intentional criminal act? or it nefarious or was it done for another reason? and that's what's going on in the background of all this. trying to piece together all of the electronic data, the information that comes from the navigation systems. and then overlay that with what's going on in the background of the pilots and anybody else on that airplane
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that could have had act says and knowledge of that navigation system to see if there's anything that would lead investigators to think that was a deliberate, nefarious act. >> so don, walk us through that from a criminal or terror investigation approach. that you sort of have a decision tree here of each act and weighting the evidence to see whether the act was something suspicious or some sort of other benign activity. >> well, you're going to start doing a very deep background investigation starting with the pilots. and you'll be looking at things like their telephone records, their computer records. not just the flight simulator, but e-mails, interviewing their colleagues, their family, their friends, to see if there's any shred of evidence that might link them to a criminal organization. you might also be looking for things of mental instability, financial. i mean, just -- really looking for anything that might trigger this deliberate response. >> so on that point, let me read a little bit of what some of the investigation of chinese
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passengers turned up, which to your point was not those kinds of leads. quote, none of the chinese passengers aboard malaysia's airline flight 370 played any role in the disappearance last week. that what the chinese ambassador to malaysia said. the ambassador conducted a meticulous investigation into all the chinese passengers and have been able to rule out the suspicion of any chinese passengers engaged in terror or sabotage activities on board the flight. is that good enough? >> well, the passengers are one aspect of this, but i think really the focus at this point must be with the pilots and anybody else, part of either the crew or somebody that had the knowledge and capability to do those deliberate actions that enabled the plane to go juf course. the likely place starts right in the cockpit itself. and so you' really got to drill down hard, not that that's the only place that that could happen, but to me, that's where
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i'm putting a lot of resources right now into the background of those pilots or anybody else on the flight. >> robert, i want to play for you, a little bit of white house spokesman jay carney today. the eyes of the world are on this mystery, and yet as you were mentioning, so few really strong leads. take a listen to jay carney here. >> the malaysian government has the lead. u.s. officials are working with closely with them on the investigation. this is a difficult and unusual situation, and we are working hard in close collaboration with the malaysian government and other partners to investigate a number of possible scenarios for what happened to the flight. our hearts, of course, go out to the families of the passengers. >> robert, he doesn't have a lot to offer there. >> welsh the buzz was kind of in the early stages, the americans were really having a difficult time getting much information out. a crash in a foreign country, we
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go as observers, as americans. you've got boeing, the federal aviation administration, the national transportation safety board. the foreign country as a lead in it, but our people are brought in and they offeraire expertise, which is really good expertise. but as i say, the buzz was that we were not getting the usual cooperation from malaysians that we have had in other foreign countries. but now they're saying this is getting better, that we're beginning to get more. >> what do you see as the timetable in the coming days. how concerned are we to have countries dropping out of the search because it's so unwieldy. >> that's the decision for countries to make based on their resources. that's not going to stop the investigation. the investigation will continue. i know the u.s. is going to keep lending its assistance. fbi has a good relationship with the royal malaysian police. i have met with them in the past and i know some of the fbi people that have been on the ground there. the level of cooperation, i can't speak to what's going on right now, it's a crisis
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situation, but i know they do have a good working situation on the ground. >> right. they have that coordination and you have those countries saying they will come back in if they think there's a way they can play a meaningful role. >> you need some wreckage or black boxes or something. it doesn't look like we're going to get them. >> right. something that gives you a lead. thank you both. appreciate your time tonight. coming up, the backseat driving styles of mitt romney and we have a "last word" exclusive. the reporter who was literally barred from attending a press conference on the campaign trail with senator mitch mcconnell. he is here with a fullback story. [ male announcer ] there is no substitute for experience. for what reality teaches you firsthand. in the face of danger, and under the most demanding circumstances. experience builds character. experience builds confidence. and experience... has built this. introducing the 2014 glk. the engineering and the experience of mercedes-benz.
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a bill passed the senate last november, and while ten republican senators joined that democratic effort, speaker john boehner declined to hold a vote in the house. he said the protection against discrimination would, quote, increase frivolous discrimination and cost american jobs. now there's a new letter from over 100 democrats in congress, sending pressure back towards the white house. they say even if republicans won't hold that vote, president obama should now sign an executive order applying enda to federal contractors. i think that would be a start. coming up, if you thought there was a big rivalry between putin, obama and the neo-cons in congress, just wait till mitt romney gets involved. republicans blame the president. that is next. co: i've always found you don't know you need a hotel room
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putin rears his head, where do they go? it's alaska right from the border. it's from alaska we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, russia, because they are right there. >> that was one former governor with no foreign policy experience sharing her expertise. and mitt romney came out today with a new op-ed in "the wall street journal" on his core expertise, the history of cirmea and post cold war conflict. it's about president obama's failed leadership. mitt romney writes today the president's failure to act when action was possible diminished respect for the u.s. and made troubles worse.
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romney gets it wrong in three ways. on crimea, he argues obama had bad timing. when protests grew and violence ensued, it was certainly evident to people in the intelligence community that president putin might try to take advantage of the situation to capture crimea or more. that was the time to talk with our global allies about punishments and sanctions, to secure their solidarity and communicate these to the russian presidents. these steps plus assurances that we would not threaten russia's influence in kiev might have dissuaded him from invasion. translation, folks, putin wouldn't have invaded crimea to secure his only warm water port if only the president had given him assurances about their influence over a sovereign nation's government. in reality, putin stayed out of crimea, i think, as long as his ally ran ukraine. and when yanukovych was ousted,
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all bets were off. the sanctions and empty assurances makes him look pretty out of touch. then his op-ed argues bad timing was also the problem in syria. quote, as the rebellion in syria erupted, the time was right for us to bring together moderate leaders who would have been easy enough for us to identify, to assure that they would have a future post assad and see the rebels were well armed. one problem, governor romney, there are very few moderate leaders in syria. that was true even back when you thought the time was right. syria's civil war is, of course, between the backers of a dictator who gassed his own people and rebels who want to impose extreme sharia line. finally, and we will end here, romney writes that obama and hillary clinton travel the world in pursuit of their promise to reset relations and build friendships across the globe. their failure has been painfully evident. quote, it's hard to name even a single country that has more respect and admiration for
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america today than when president obama took office. is it? let's help you out, governor romney. when you compare pew's global polls between 2007 and 2013, countries with more favorable views include allies like france, poland, canada, israel, argenti argentina, south korea, and even that adversary russia. whether you think those global polls matter or not, the fact is that even with tons of spare time, mr. romney can't be bothered to get the basics right. that may be why president obama got the better of him in their last real foreign policy debate. >> the challenge we have -- i know you haven't been in a position to actually execute foreign policy, but every time you've offered an opinion, you've been wrong. >> joining me now are steve schmidt, from the 2008 mccain campai campaign, as well as david corn, the washington bureau chief for mother jones and political analyst. welcome, gentlemen. >> good evening. >> good evening.
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>> good to be with you. >> steve, let me start with you. if you have any responses to a coup of those holes i tried to poke in the op-ed, i welcome them. and is it written by someone who's just sounding off on policy because he's free and independent? or someone who might have yet another campaign inside him? >> well, look, i think the democrats were wrong when they said that we would have a russian policy reset on the basis of the president's personality, that george w. bush was gone, so the russians would act differently. i think it's wrong when republicans say that putin is doing the things that he's doing in reaction to things that the president has said or done. bottom line here is vladimir putin is a russian nationalist. he's a serious global strategist. he's a tough leard. he's asserting his prerogatives over what the russians refer to as the newer broad.
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it's a destabilizing situation because he's speaking out for the prosecute text of russian-speaking populations. in the baltic countries, they're of course, covered under article 5 as nato allies. it's a serious situation and the united states needs to develop a bipartisan consensus of how to deal in a tough, sophisticated way with a resurgent russia led by a modern day czar. and we've always had a bipartisan tradition in this country when it comes to our relations with the former soviet union, and now russia. and i think we should hopefully look to the president and members of congress to hopefully move in that direction where we can see a resurgence of that bipartisan foreign policy because they are an issue this country has to deal with. >> david, let me bring you in. go ahead.. >> steve, are you one of those state where is they've legalized marijuana? because i think -- i agree with you whole heartedly.
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it would be great to have this bipartisan consensus with what to do with this very dicey foreign policy challenge, but what you see is mitt romney and john mccain and a lot of people on the right just -- whatever barack obama does, they believe in the opposite. mitt romney, who was at the beck and call of the neo-cons in 2012, beating the drums for war now says oh, barack obama or me, if i had been there, we would have avoided all this trouble. i mean, he's not playing by the facts. i have the same list of countries that ari just showed on the screen. but also, another example from the op-ed, he says barack obama barack obama was behind when it came to egypt. the whole mitt romney responsible for not reading my book or other things about this matter, but actually for ten months prior to the arab spring, barack obama had conveyed an interagency group to try to deal with what he thought would be transformations in the middle
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east in the arab world. he's been trying but yet it doesn't matter. mitt romney and all the others use any opportunity not to band together and try to figure this out, but to just fire away again and again and name calling. he's weak, he's feckless. so i think you're sort of in the dark here. >> steve? >> well, look, i think that what you're seeing happening in all these countries across the broader middle east is a fraying of the boundaries that were drawn across religious lines, ethnic lines. of course, you look at the crimea given to the ukraine by russia under khrushchev in 1954. and so russia historically, you look at the poem "into the valley of death rode the 600." the europeans have experienced war in crimea against russia. when we blame the president
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entirely, that everything happening in the world is the fault of him not moving enough and that all events in the world are derivative of what the president is doing or not doing or what the united states policy is at any given moment totally ignores the powerful forces of history, of culture, of ethnicities that operate in this part of the world. >> yeah. so steve, let me jump in on that. >> it's very explainable what vladimir putin is doing here. and we need to have a long-term policy. >> let me jump in on that there, gentlemen, isn't that part of the problem with mr. romney's op-ed. he's picked a pivotal time to weigh in. they're trying to stitch together a critique of global standing. it seems drastically oversimplified and a point of crimea that seems to focus a lot more on whether barack obama had good timing, like this is some sort of poker game than the actual strategic and historical
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pieces underneath it. do you think this is unhelpful for foreign policy and republican politics? >> look, i think that blustering is as bad as dithering in these types of crises. the great secretary of state george shultz said the most important foreign policy decision ronald reagan ever made was firing the air traffic controllers. it showed he was a man who did what he said he was going to do. that was understood in the kremlin at the time. there's a lot of legitimate republican criticism, for example, with regard to the red lines that the president, i think even they acknowledge talked about so inartfully in syria. but do i think that's the cause of what's happening in crimea, what's happening in the ukraine? i don't think it is. and i think the attempts to project everything that's happening in the world on to the policies of whether it's a republican administration, democrats did this with president bush, whether it's with president obama, republicans, some are doing it
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now. i just think is such a simplistic analysis of really deep things, deep trends that are occurring right now in complicated parts of the world. >> it is. let me jump in, steve. we're almost out of time. it's not only simplistic, it's also interesting coming to a party that used to associate itself as the most sophisticated, serious arguments on national security. before we go, steve, i did want to get your answer on mitt romney in 2016. how shall we view the op-ed? >> you know, there's something alluring about it. look, i think that there's a -- you know, mitt romney, you know, he wouldn't be the first person to run for president for a third time. i think the republican field is as wide open as it possibly could be. you know, if mitt romney were to run a race that was different in construct from last one where he had already lost once. it was a fearless campaign, taking on some of the elements of the republican party that need to be taken on. you know, i would love to see
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it. i think that mitt romney's public service for his country isn't done yet. i think he's a serious substantive guy. i have no idea if he's going to run for president, but in the field constituted the way it is, i think anyone would win it. >> all right, that's an interesting point. thank you both for joining us tonight. appreciate it. coming up, the biggest trouble for chris christie may not be actually those lane closures. it might be all about his guy at the port authority, david samson. there are developments in a separate investigation. we'll bring them to you straight ahead. you say men are superior drivers?
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>> chris christie was dpronted by protesters during a town hall today. while some yelled about appointees at the port authority, christie was not asked a direct question about the george washington bridge scandal, but it did come up sort of indirectly if christie was asked if he could expedite a state legislature investigation into a possible corruption case in newark. christie said this. >> whatever senator wisniewski decides to spend his time on is, as we've seen, completely up to him. >> it's a brief reference. what he's doing is wefring to john wisniewski who helped lead the investigation into the lane closures. the investigation has run into uncooperative witnesses and is trying to convince a george that bill stepian and bridget kelly
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must turn over the documents as requested. yesterd they released e-mails that's supposed to show that bill stepian was in the loop. wisniewski said this kind of flow of information itself was suspicious. >> those communications were not westbound the port authority. remember, this was supposed to be a port authority traffic study. but these were communications that went to the governor's campaign manager, bill stepian among others. so it really shows that there was a significant political component to what was going on here. we don't know why. we're trying to get that answer. but clearly, involving all of these folks from the campaign, running by them the press strategy indicates there was some political element to this. >> some political element. now that is all about the state investigation. if the court doesn't force those witnesses to turn over documents, part of the trail may
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go cold. but then there is the separate independent federal investigation. tonight, "the new york times" is reporting, quote, federal prosecutors in new jersey subpoenaed records relating to po ten btial conflicts of interest involving the port authority in new york and new jersey. chairman david samson focus on two bridge contracts worth $2.8 billion that he voted to award to construction companies represented by his law firm. the article continues that the inquiry those people said would focus on potential conflicts of interest between his public actions, as the authority's chairman where he had power, and his private law firm's representation of companies doing business with it. samson's lawyer did decline, we should mention, to comment on that article. joining us now is alfred p.doblin, editorial page director for "the bergen record." let's start with david samson and his role here. why is it of such interest? >> well, he's the chairman of the port authority of new york and new jersey.
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he is a key adviser to governor christie. i mean, he led his transition team. he is the co-founder of one of the most politically influential law firms in the state of new jersey. he's also a former state attorney general. so before all this story broke, i mean, he was seen as certainly a very ethical, smart savvy lawyer. as this is starting to unfold, we're seeing a lot or obvious conflicts of interest. i wouldn't say anything is criminal happening here, but the fact that the u.s. attorney is look into this is certainly adding another red flag to go up there. but this is someone who should recognize that if you're going to vote on something like raising the beyonne bridge, or there's a parking facility in north bergen that charged new jersey transit $900 million after year, and they got a deal now for $1 a year.
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and david samson is saying well, i voted for it, then i didn't really vote for it. and now they're going to do a do-over kind of vote. a lot of it is just very gray for a very smart, very savvy attorney. >> right. and you mentioned, at least those two bridge contracts. the "times" is reporting $2 billion on the table there. and the linebacker here is a lot of folks are skeptical about politicians in general. and quite frank new jersey 234 particular, no offense to you, sir. and no this goes beyond saying okay, there's some bag and forth, there are some relationships. this is a federal inquiry looking at the potential violation of federal law in these funds. >> and it's interesting that, you know, maybe at the end of the day, a year from now two years from now, whenever this whole thing plays out, the actual lane closures may be the smaller component of the story. >> absolutely. >> what the u.s. attorney is looking at now is really a side issue. they started cutting open this particular sausage.
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and all of a sudden they found all of these questionable dealings by the chairman of the port authority. so they're really looking at the whole culture of the port authority, which has also been very well seasoned with christie people. >> yeah, look, that's something lawrence and i have talked about. a lot of times prosecution isn't always about crime. prosecution is about evidence. whatever the bridge scandal started with, the best evidence that these prosecutors at the federal level may have of crimes that they have jurisdiction over is a lot of money sloshing around. and not necessarily the interstate crime of traffic. >> and it's huge amounts of money. when you look at what the port authority can fund, i mean, when you're talking about billions of dollars, but it's not even just money that the port authority is spending. i mean, if david samson's clients can ben from it from these deals, whether it's a bridge deal or it's an airport deal in atlantic city, you know, this is very much the way politics sort of works. some of the time.
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some of the time it ends up in americans like "american hustle." however you look at it, it's not a very pretty -- it's not a very pretty sight. >> alfred, i was wondering if you were going to bring jennifer lawrence into this. and you did. '. >> well, you know, i figured i had a responsibility here. >> albert p. doblin, "the bergen record." thanks for sharing your expertise with us tonight. coming up, a "last word" exclusive. the reporter denied access to senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, despite them holding a press conference. and later, the mother of jordan davis joins us to discuss her home state of georgia's new push for even looser gun laws. ♪ [ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish,
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but a new story has broke about a kentucky reporter who said he was mcconnelled in a whole new way. he said mcconnell's campaign manager barred him from attending a press conference of all things if he wanted to ask questions, which is usually the point of press events. he put the word out on the internet. he tweeted the louisville metro police officer cut me off. he said he would arrest me if i walked past him on orders of team mitch. when asked why he couldn't attend, the issue came up there, the senate minority said he didn't know. now here's how mcconnell's campaign manager addressed the situation. our campaign held a private event and select members of the media were invited to attend for an intimate question and answer session. when he refused to leave, the matter was turned over to the hotel staff who followed their internal protocol. joining us now for an exclusive interview is the editor for the
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paper. good evening. at first, jesse benetton told you there wasn't actually enough room at the event. then the story evolved into what i just quoted, number one, do you believe they are being truthful about this sort of hotel policy and protocol and number two, do you think it's fair to have sort of press events that are only open to selective press? >> well, the campaign definitely lied to me about the limited space excuse for not letting me in. he eventually changed his story a couple of times. he said well, i'll let you in, as long as you don't ask questions. the ore reporters can ask questions, but you can't. i said i i wanted to ask questions that's when he said he would call the cops. the policeman was in the door when i tried to walk in with the other journalists. it was kind of amazinamazing.
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>> that's pretty intense. let me ask you another question. for folks watching at home and are thinking, why is the mcconnell campaign going to such great lengths to keep you out? >> well, they are going to great lengths. i'm critical of mcconnell just like i'm critical of just about every politician who's ever been in kentucky. there were even journalists who were critical of mcconnell who were allowed in. it's kind of a mystery to me. i think it's interesting that mitch mcconnell has always portrayed himself a great champion of the first amendment. he was against the flag burning amendment. he's famous for saying that money equals speech. but when it comes to a reporter wanting to enter a press conference and ask him a policy question, apparently the freedom of speech and freedom of the press goes out the door. >> yeah, you say that and also it was a classic political error, because as we mentioned, and maybe this wouldn't be true in sort of a preinternet era,
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but you were able to catalog it in real time. other reports, both local and national dipping in on it. then of course as we reported, the senator was asked about it. politically it's weird. and i wonder if it goes to some of the problem he's having in the race, which as you reported on, i want to get your thoughts running here against allison london grimes as the democrat. she has now pulled up by some polls 46 to 42, close there within the margin of error. how is she doing? >> it could be the fact that the mcconnell campaign is panicking. his campaign has already spent many millions of dollars. pro mcconnell super pacs are already spending millions of dollars. he's gone from an unpopular senator to a very, very unpopular senator. numbers have actually gotten worse. grimes was ahead of him by four points in the last poll. so perhaps they're panicking so much they think it's a good idea to arrest a reporter who might ask a question that he has difficulty with. >> yeah. well, look, it was an interesting story, that's why we
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wanted to get you on. we will keep an eye on it particularly to see whether this sort of conduct continues against you or other journalists and bloggers. it's at least a weird one. joe sanka, thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> absolutely. now coming up, a story i mentioned earlier. the mother of jordan davis is going to join us to talk about what makes georgia's proposed changes to gun laws in her view just so dangerous. co: i've always found you don't know you need a hotel room until you're sure you do. bartender: thanks, captain obvious. co: which is what makes using the mobile app so useful. i can book a nearby hotel room from wherever i am. or, i could not book a hotel room and put my cellphone back into my pocket as if nothing happened. i don't need it right now. go! [ male announcer ] it's chaos out there. but the m-class sees in your blind spot...
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>> jordan davis was shot and killed in florida at a gas station whose trial turned in part on stand your ground laws. his mother's home state of georgia now wants to loosen its gun laws and jordan's mother joins us up ahead. does it end after you've expanded your business? after your company's gone public? and the capital's been invested? or when your company's bought another?
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zimmerman, the dunn case sparked national debates about the laws of self-defense, stand your ground and limits on access top guns. she works as a spokesperson for moms who demand action for gun sentences in ameri s -- sense . she is now speaking out about a gun bill in georgia that will allow carrying firearms in churches, bars and airports where they were once not allowed. allowing convicted felons to evoke self-defense rules and loring the age to for a concealed weapon from age 21 to 18. the nra approves. it says this bill would be the most pro gun law in the state's recent history. joining us now is lucia mcbath. thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> let's start with what you're
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doing in advocacy around this bill and your views of the bill. >> well, basically in working with moms for gun sense in america and a hoest of coalition members across georgia, we have been canvassing the state capitol now for quite some time trying to invoke people to understand, especially our legislators, trying to invoke them to understand that what we have on the plate before us now, what we have on the floor before us now, the guns everywhere bill, these bills would dangerously expand the scope of behavior in the state of georgia allowing criminals, felons to be able to use gun, illegal guns, and still use the stand your ground statute at their immuni y immunity. you know, allowing citizens to
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bring their guns into bars, into churches, sanctuaries, places of business. these are very dangerous measures before our legislatures at this time. >> to your point about the impact, "the new york times" editorial on march 14 about these laws, and it noted that justifiable homicide cases rose 83% in georgia where the house's deplorable gun bill has moved to the senate. they sate's the work of the gun lob pi. i also want to note that even in your state conducted in january, when asked should guns be allowed in houses of worship, 70% of ledgestered voters statewide opposed including 63% of the republicans. the public seems to be against against this. whoo's going on in your view?
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>> we don't really understand other than there has to be a lot of influence based on the legislators placed by the nra. we're actually actually the senators to take the governor's deal to task on these measures. the public safety is definitely at risk at this point. if these kinds of measures are enacted. >> yeah. and so briefly, where do we go from here on that legislative calendar? >> well, as we speak right now they are actually vote on the measures. it remains to be seen what actually will happen in the state of georgia. we're going to keep an eye on your work. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you so much. >> i'm ari in for lawrence
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o'donnell. stay with msnbc, chris hayes is up next. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. and the most important story in the world tonight is the escalation of the crisis in ukraine. today, the first fatal shots have been fired, the ukrainian soldier is dead. russia has officially annexed the peninsula of crimea, and ukraine has mobilized troops on the border. all while the war of words between washington and moscow has escalated to a point where it gets harder and harder to see how either side backs down. >> it seems we do have the first shots fired in anger, the first fatality of this crisis. there must have been some resistance. shots were fired and one man is dead. >> at a military base in simferopol, a ukrain